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	<description>A Road Without Obstacles Leads Nowhere.</description>
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		<title>By: PRevere</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2009/02/25/democracy-vs-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-365394</link>
		<dc:creator>PRevere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy:
A belief thatthat the freedom of the people is best achieved thru a &quot;government of the people,by the people
and for the people&quot;
Capitolism:
A belief that Capital exists for profit.by profit and of profit.
One belief is for a spirit of people. the other is a tool used mor for the self than the people.
Which is more important?
If the spirit rules then there is a need for the tool.
If the tool rules, it will kill the spirit.
And so ends Democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy:<br />
A belief thatthat the freedom of the people is best achieved thru a &#8220;government of the people,by the people<br />
and for the people&#8221;<br />
Capitolism:<br />
A belief that Capital exists for profit.by profit and of profit.<br />
One belief is for a spirit of people. the other is a tool used mor for the self than the people.<br />
Which is more important?<br />
If the spirit rules then there is a need for the tool.<br />
If the tool rules, it will kill the spirit.<br />
And so ends Democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: kristine</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2009/02/25/democracy-vs-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-363395</link>
		<dc:creator>kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in my opinion democracy has been put on the back burner while capitalism takes over our country. the rich don&#039;t give a shit about anyone else or anything else, besides making MORE money. our banking system is all sorts of screwed up considering that every dollar that is &quot;lent&quot; (i put it in quotes b/c who pays them back? no one.) to our government from the federal reserve already has debt on it. our world leaders only want to rule the world while keeping the average person uninformed, distracted and in a bubble of fake happiness with their i pods and TV&#039;s.  nothing against technology, of course; but the underlying factors is what gets me. the way we&#039;re surrounded by advertisements everywhere we go to buy buy buy, and the mind sucking television that people choose to sit in front of all day (which has more advertisements than programming), and the bullshit schooling system that our country has put in place that teaches us lies and never tells us the whole story (ex. we didn&#039;t have a feast with the native Americans... we took some as slaves and slaughtered the rest.) AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY FREEDOM!?! why do i have to work my life a way just to be a nameless face? money is slavery in its self.why do i have to work my entire life just to come out in the end in the same situation as before? maybe its because with out the proles of our society (us, the citizens) the few that run our world will crash and burn. so yes, we need a major makeover.

1984 by George Orwell
Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury

im sure most have of these books but if not or if you never read them i would strongly suggest it.

Zeitgeist I
Zeitgeist II
The Obama Deception

good movies. i recommend those as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in my opinion democracy has been put on the back burner while capitalism takes over our country. the rich don&#8217;t give a shit about anyone else or anything else, besides making MORE money. our banking system is all sorts of screwed up considering that every dollar that is &#8220;lent&#8221; (i put it in quotes b/c who pays them back? no one.) to our government from the federal reserve already has debt on it. our world leaders only want to rule the world while keeping the average person uninformed, distracted and in a bubble of fake happiness with their i pods and TV&#8217;s.  nothing against technology, of course; but the underlying factors is what gets me. the way we&#8217;re surrounded by advertisements everywhere we go to buy buy buy, and the mind sucking television that people choose to sit in front of all day (which has more advertisements than programming), and the bullshit schooling system that our country has put in place that teaches us lies and never tells us the whole story (ex. we didn&#8217;t have a feast with the native Americans&#8230; we took some as slaves and slaughtered the rest.) AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MY FREEDOM!?! why do i have to work my life a way just to be a nameless face? money is slavery in its self.why do i have to work my entire life just to come out in the end in the same situation as before? maybe its because with out the proles of our society (us, the citizens) the few that run our world will crash and burn. so yes, we need a major makeover.</p>
<p>1984 by George Orwell<br />
Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury</p>
<p>im sure most have of these books but if not or if you never read them i would strongly suggest it.</p>
<p>Zeitgeist I<br />
Zeitgeist II<br />
The Obama Deception</p>
<p>good movies. i recommend those as well</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the market is people paying first for what&#039;s important, and people producing what is in demand.  This is why the market is self-correcting.  It&#039;s true that people become selfish and hurt others for their own benefit, but thinking that corrupt politicians have souls inherently more loving than corrupt businessmen is a symptom of GAS(Government Adoration Syndrome).  If a business is unethical, it is the people&#039;s responsibility to cut off the business through market choices.  Expecting the government to regulate these companies is like running to a wild lion to protect you from a savage puppy.

Anyway, if there is no loss of resources or food, no mass war, disease, etc., there is no reason for economic troubles except that someone is manipulating financial machines which process tools of exchange (which in this case is the Federal Reserve Dollar, forced upon us, manipulation enough by itself).  When people get poor enough, and jobless enough, they will begin to try to do things on their own, grow food, barter, until the owners of the economy decide to somehow promote cash flow to once again capture the loyalty of the trusting citizens and get back the control.  (ex: &quot;the&quot; Great Depression)

Oh, and also Capitalism is the &quot;private&quot; ownership and use of capital, resources, etc.  Democracy is &quot;rule of the people&quot;(which is pretty scary concerning how much most people here don&#039;t care).  So, I don&#039;t understand the relationship we&#039;re making here...

Thanks for inviting me to your blog, log. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the market is people paying first for what&#8217;s important, and people producing what is in demand.  This is why the market is self-correcting.  It&#8217;s true that people become selfish and hurt others for their own benefit, but thinking that corrupt politicians have souls inherently more loving than corrupt businessmen is a symptom of GAS(Government Adoration Syndrome).  If a business is unethical, it is the people&#8217;s responsibility to cut off the business through market choices.  Expecting the government to regulate these companies is like running to a wild lion to protect you from a savage puppy.</p>
<p>Anyway, if there is no loss of resources or food, no mass war, disease, etc., there is no reason for economic troubles except that someone is manipulating financial machines which process tools of exchange (which in this case is the Federal Reserve Dollar, forced upon us, manipulation enough by itself).  When people get poor enough, and jobless enough, they will begin to try to do things on their own, grow food, barter, until the owners of the economy decide to somehow promote cash flow to once again capture the loyalty of the trusting citizens and get back the control.  (ex: &#8220;the&#8221; Great Depression)</p>
<p>Oh, and also Capitalism is the &#8220;private&#8221; ownership and use of capital, resources, etc.  Democracy is &#8220;rule of the people&#8221;(which is pretty scary concerning how much most people here don&#8217;t care).  So, I don&#8217;t understand the relationship we&#8217;re making here&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for inviting me to your blog, log. <img src='http://blog.logtar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, the Capitalist free market was doing fine and successful until it was the Democratic US Government that interfered.  The market is always self-correcting and does not depend on emotion.  The fact that Congress forced banks to lend to people who could not afford it, along with raising the minimum wage on small businesses that could not sustain it is what ultimately caused the issues that we are having.  Whenever the government interferes, this is the result. Why we would want them to run anything is beyond me.  I don&#039;t need the government for anything other than our volunteer Army.  All I can tell you is this $4 Trillion spending budget is NOT going to be a good idea, it will end up costing much more, and will be a failure from which the USA and the World will not escape.  And we&#039;re all along for the ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, the Capitalist free market was doing fine and successful until it was the Democratic US Government that interfered.  The market is always self-correcting and does not depend on emotion.  The fact that Congress forced banks to lend to people who could not afford it, along with raising the minimum wage on small businesses that could not sustain it is what ultimately caused the issues that we are having.  Whenever the government interferes, this is the result. Why we would want them to run anything is beyond me.  I don&#8217;t need the government for anything other than our volunteer Army.  All I can tell you is this $4 Trillion spending budget is NOT going to be a good idea, it will end up costing much more, and will be a failure from which the USA and the World will not escape.  And we&#8217;re all along for the ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you give some examples of some of your statements?

&lt;q&gt;Democracy is supposed to save us from the injustices of Capitalism, but for years it did just the opposite. &lt;/q&gt;



&lt;q&gt;Capitalism had free reign and it got us into this mess. &lt;/q&gt;

It sure seems like to me, that &quot;Capitalism&quot; doesn&#039;t have the ability to get us into any mess but the PEOPLE that are ultra greedy and only out for their own self or the Politician who wants to be seen by the people they represent as standing up to the big bad wealthy person.  Free markets encourage innovation and competition, which is what makes it so great.  The freedom that is supposed to be a part of our democratic republic go hand in hand.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you give some examples of some of your statements?</p>
<p><q>Democracy is supposed to save us from the injustices of Capitalism, but for years it did just the opposite. </q></p>
<p><q>Capitalism had free reign and it got us into this mess. </q></p>
<p>It sure seems like to me, that &#8220;Capitalism&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have the ability to get us into any mess but the PEOPLE that are ultra greedy and only out for their own self or the Politician who wants to be seen by the people they represent as standing up to the big bad wealthy person.  Free markets encourage innovation and competition, which is what makes it so great.  The freedom that is supposed to be a part of our democratic republic go hand in hand&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Burrowowl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burrowowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fundamentally there are two opposite forces at work when you put capitalism (which encourages unequal outcome) and democracy (which requires equal footing).  Capitalism must be protected from rampant mob-rule populism in order to function, and democracy must be protected from turning into an oligarchy through corruption and graft.

So we end up with a blend no matter what we do, with rich people trying to buy influence at every turn and the public trying to squash the excessively-successful at most elections.  We end up with rich people as our legislators and executives, but with a fear of populist backlash should they get too far into bed with the other rich folks. We also end up with regulated corporations that aren&#039;t allowed to practice unfettered free trade.

It mostly works out. Mostly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundamentally there are two opposite forces at work when you put capitalism (which encourages unequal outcome) and democracy (which requires equal footing).  Capitalism must be protected from rampant mob-rule populism in order to function, and democracy must be protected from turning into an oligarchy through corruption and graft.</p>
<p>So we end up with a blend no matter what we do, with rich people trying to buy influence at every turn and the public trying to squash the excessively-successful at most elections.  We end up with rich people as our legislators and executives, but with a fear of populist backlash should they get too far into bed with the other rich folks. We also end up with regulated corporations that aren&#8217;t allowed to practice unfettered free trade.</p>
<p>It mostly works out. Mostly.</p>
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		<title>By: meesha.v</title>
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		<dc:creator>meesha.v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is no economic system that&#039;s perfect, including various hybrids. many countries that are always brought up as examples of getting it right like EU or Canada, end up developing poplulations that don&#039;t contribute at all. sooner or later their systems will be bankrupt. in this country the system is easily swindled, in my opinion the reason is that a large number of people is allowed in on a scam i.e housing bubble, internet bubble, amway (on a smaller scale). with so many people participating it&#039;s in no one&#039;s interest to ruin the party. some countries in Europe, who seem to get it right, severely limit immigration, try getting into Sweden, you probably have a better chance of infiltrating gitmo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no economic system that&#8217;s perfect, including various hybrids. many countries that are always brought up as examples of getting it right like EU or Canada, end up developing poplulations that don&#8217;t contribute at all. sooner or later their systems will be bankrupt. in this country the system is easily swindled, in my opinion the reason is that a large number of people is allowed in on a scam i.e housing bubble, internet bubble, amway (on a smaller scale). with so many people participating it&#8217;s in no one&#8217;s interest to ruin the party. some countries in Europe, who seem to get it right, severely limit immigration, try getting into Sweden, you probably have a better chance of infiltrating gitmo.</p>
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