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		<title>By: D'Artagnan</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-362879</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Artagnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not sit around and avoid the real issue here.  The reason that women don&#039;t like nice guys is because women aren&#039;t nice.  The reason women love bad boys is because women are bad.

See how simple that was?  Wait, you think I made that up?

It&#039;s easy to express nothing but scorn for those guys who follow women around like lost puppies, cater to their every need, offer their shoulder to cry on, but then sit in amazement when the object of their affection turns around and dates everyone but them.  We laugh at them for being spineless and weak.  But the women involved in this equation deserve nothing but contempt.  

Why?  I thought you&#039;d never ask.  It&#039;s not like the women here are blind to what the guy is hoping for.  Yes, he&#039;s naive for thinking that women appreciate courtesy.  We all know they don&#039;t.  But women, if you have a guy like this in your life, for the love of god, cut him loose, tell him that you&#039;re not going to be with him because bad people can&#039;t be with good ones, and let him get on with his life.  Better yet, instead of laughing at him and using him as your emotional crutch, tell him where he&#039;s coming up short and let him try to improve himself so that he has a chance with someone else.

But women don&#039;t do that.  They want this little emotional slave around all the time.  They want someone to listen to their whiny, girly nonsense.  Women are bad people, so the fact that they only live other bad people is a matter of common sense.

I was there once.  As a younger man, I was the nice guy, and I was genuinely so.  I actually cared, and I paid a serious price for it.  After a time, my emotions circled the drain, and I was happy to let them go.  I knew that sitting around and feeling sorry for myself is the act of a spineless jellyfish, so that sure wasn&#039;t an option.  I because a full-blown jerk whose attitude towards women eventually turned into misogyny.  I am neither proud nor ashamed to admit that I despise women and I treat them accordingly, and guess what?  My success with them has increased dramatically.  

Treat women like garbage and they will come running.  Now admittedly, some have told me that I morally and ethically backslid just to get women to notice me, and you know something?  I did, and I&#039;m glad I did.  There is no room left in this world for gentlemen.  I am not going to sit alone in a dark corner just because someone out there thinks I should tie myself down to meaningless, outdated ethics.  

The reason that I feel no shame about treating women with such contempt is because women deserve nothing but contempt.  Besides, treat women that way and they&#039;ll love you for it.  Both you and she will get what you want.

If you women out there are about to start throwing words like &quot;chauvanist&quot; or the like in my face, spare me.  I don&#039;t care, and you women are the cause of that.  Don&#039;t like it?  Look in the mirror.  Maybe you should stop complaining about men unless you intend to start showing better taste in them.  

We know you&#039;re not going to do that, don&#039;t we?

Again, women like bad boys for a simple reason that everyone of us knows at his core...all women are bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not sit around and avoid the real issue here.  The reason that women don&#8217;t like nice guys is because women aren&#8217;t nice.  The reason women love bad boys is because women are bad.</p>
<p>See how simple that was?  Wait, you think I made that up?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to express nothing but scorn for those guys who follow women around like lost puppies, cater to their every need, offer their shoulder to cry on, but then sit in amazement when the object of their affection turns around and dates everyone but them.  We laugh at them for being spineless and weak.  But the women involved in this equation deserve nothing but contempt.  </p>
<p>Why?  I thought you&#8217;d never ask.  It&#8217;s not like the women here are blind to what the guy is hoping for.  Yes, he&#8217;s naive for thinking that women appreciate courtesy.  We all know they don&#8217;t.  But women, if you have a guy like this in your life, for the love of god, cut him loose, tell him that you&#8217;re not going to be with him because bad people can&#8217;t be with good ones, and let him get on with his life.  Better yet, instead of laughing at him and using him as your emotional crutch, tell him where he&#8217;s coming up short and let him try to improve himself so that he has a chance with someone else.</p>
<p>But women don&#8217;t do that.  They want this little emotional slave around all the time.  They want someone to listen to their whiny, girly nonsense.  Women are bad people, so the fact that they only live other bad people is a matter of common sense.</p>
<p>I was there once.  As a younger man, I was the nice guy, and I was genuinely so.  I actually cared, and I paid a serious price for it.  After a time, my emotions circled the drain, and I was happy to let them go.  I knew that sitting around and feeling sorry for myself is the act of a spineless jellyfish, so that sure wasn&#8217;t an option.  I because a full-blown jerk whose attitude towards women eventually turned into misogyny.  I am neither proud nor ashamed to admit that I despise women and I treat them accordingly, and guess what?  My success with them has increased dramatically.  </p>
<p>Treat women like garbage and they will come running.  Now admittedly, some have told me that I morally and ethically backslid just to get women to notice me, and you know something?  I did, and I&#8217;m glad I did.  There is no room left in this world for gentlemen.  I am not going to sit alone in a dark corner just because someone out there thinks I should tie myself down to meaningless, outdated ethics.  </p>
<p>The reason that I feel no shame about treating women with such contempt is because women deserve nothing but contempt.  Besides, treat women that way and they&#8217;ll love you for it.  Both you and she will get what you want.</p>
<p>If you women out there are about to start throwing words like &#8220;chauvanist&#8221; or the like in my face, spare me.  I don&#8217;t care, and you women are the cause of that.  Don&#8217;t like it?  Look in the mirror.  Maybe you should stop complaining about men unless you intend to start showing better taste in them.  </p>
<p>We know you&#8217;re not going to do that, don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>Again, women like bad boys for a simple reason that everyone of us knows at his core&#8230;all women are bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Camilo</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358981</link>
		<dc:creator>Camilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LT, I do think that this society is too focused on glitz and bravado to understand subtle nuances and quiet determination; it glorifies boisterous stars, and assumes that the silent types are oddities, outliers or outcasts.

We do come from a culture that values silence and contemplation, and thus we are understood through stereotypical categorization and labeling. However, once that narrow perception is broken, we do emerge more prepared than what the local culture would have allowed.

Similarly, place the debate in terms different from &quot;nice&quot;, and allow the whole deluge of your reasons to impact the other. There is not nice, there is a cautious expectation and a judicious choice of battles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LT, I do think that this society is too focused on glitz and bravado to understand subtle nuances and quiet determination; it glorifies boisterous stars, and assumes that the silent types are oddities, outliers or outcasts.</p>
<p>We do come from a culture that values silence and contemplation, and thus we are understood through stereotypical categorization and labeling. However, once that narrow perception is broken, we do emerge more prepared than what the local culture would have allowed.</p>
<p>Similarly, place the debate in terms different from &#8220;nice&#8221;, and allow the whole deluge of your reasons to impact the other. There is not nice, there is a cautious expectation and a judicious choice of battles.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358963</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet brings up a good point in that there are too many nice guys that won&#039;t stand up for themselves.  

I like the nice guys and always have, but it&#039;s not my fault that they also tend to go after the jerk women ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet brings up a good point in that there are too many nice guys that won&#8217;t stand up for themselves.  </p>
<p>I like the nice guys and always have, but it&#8217;s not my fault that they also tend to go after the jerk women <img src='http://blog.logtar.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358932</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, it took that last one. What&#039;s going on here?

Ok, your blog ate my last comment...

Basically, I said that you didn&#039;t burst any bubble...you missed my point, I think.

There are a lot of guys out there who think they&#039;re nice. My sister recently communicated with one of them via a Craigslist ad in Orange County. I&#039;ve tried putting in the links to the posts, but I think it&#039;s what&#039;s messing up my ability to comment. So check out June 12th and 13th on her blog (&quot;How Do You Say&quot; in my blogroll) for the story. 

I know a few of them in real life. I&#039;d give examples, but I&#039;m afraid it would be too rude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, it took that last one. What&#8217;s going on here?</p>
<p>Ok, your blog ate my last comment&#8230;</p>
<p>Basically, I said that you didn&#8217;t burst any bubble&#8230;you missed my point, I think.</p>
<p>There are a lot of guys out there who think they&#8217;re nice. My sister recently communicated with one of them via a Craigslist ad in Orange County. I&#8217;ve tried putting in the links to the posts, but I think it&#8217;s what&#8217;s messing up my ability to comment. So check out June 12th and 13th on her blog (&#8220;How Do You Say&#8221; in my blogroll) for the story. </p>
<p>I know a few of them in real life. I&#8217;d give examples, but I&#8217;m afraid it would be too rude.</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358931</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the HELL will this post not accept my comments??? GAH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the HELL will this post not accept my comments??? GAH!</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358930</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, your blog ate my last comment...

Basically, I said that you didn&#039;t burst any bubble...you missed my point, I think.

There are a lot of guys out there who think they&#039;re nice. My sister recently communicated with one of them via a Craigslist ad in Orange County. Here are the links to what she said about it:

http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/experiment.html

http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/little-clearing-up.html

I know a few of them in real life. I&#039;d give examples, but I&#039;m afraid it would be too rude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, your blog ate my last comment&#8230;</p>
<p>Basically, I said that you didn&#8217;t burst any bubble&#8230;you missed my point, I think.</p>
<p>There are a lot of guys out there who think they&#8217;re nice. My sister recently communicated with one of them via a Craigslist ad in Orange County. Here are the links to what she said about it:</p>
<p><a href="http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/experiment.html" rel="nofollow">http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/experiment.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/little-clearing-up.html" rel="nofollow">http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/little-clearing-up.html</a></p>
<p>I know a few of them in real life. I&#8217;d give examples, but I&#8217;m afraid it would be too rude.</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358929</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logtar, no bubble burst here: that&#039;s exactly what I&#039;m saying. A lot of guys who THINK they&#039;re nice as they can be are actually more judgemental and shallow than they realize.

Check out this post from my Twin for a more recent, specific example: http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/experiment.html

And this was the follow up post she wrote about what happened: http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/little-clearing-up.html

Maybe those help you see what I&#039;m talking about a bit better...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logtar, no bubble burst here: that&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;m saying. A lot of guys who THINK they&#8217;re nice as they can be are actually more judgemental and shallow than they realize.</p>
<p>Check out this post from my Twin for a more recent, specific example: <a href="http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/experiment.html" rel="nofollow">http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/experiment.html</a></p>
<p>And this was the follow up post she wrote about what happened: <a href="http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/little-clearing-up.html" rel="nofollow">http://howdoyousay.blogspot.com/2008/06/little-clearing-up.html</a></p>
<p>Maybe those help you see what I&#8217;m talking about a bit better&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358925</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dated the occasional &quot;bad guy,&quot; but nothing can replace the &quot;good guys&quot; I&#039;ve had and still have in my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dated the occasional &#8220;bad guy,&#8221; but nothing can replace the &#8220;good guys&#8221; I&#8217;ve had and still have in my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358924</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nice guy can still stand up for himself and be a nice guy.  Any man who can&#039;t stand up for himself has no business standing up for a woman.  

Sometimes though, with confidence comes cockiness.  It&#039;s sometimes hard to balance one&#039;s ego and be humble.  Sometimes I can&#039;t fit my head thru the door and act like a jackass.  But overall, I consider myself a nice guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nice guy can still stand up for himself and be a nice guy.  Any man who can&#8217;t stand up for himself has no business standing up for a woman.  </p>
<p>Sometimes though, with confidence comes cockiness.  It&#8217;s sometimes hard to balance one&#8217;s ego and be humble.  Sometimes I can&#8217;t fit my head thru the door and act like a jackass.  But overall, I consider myself a nice guy.</p>
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		<title>By: emawkc</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358922</link>
		<dc:creator>emawkc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right on this one, Logtar. That&#039;s why I make it a practice to sucker punch a total stranger daily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right on this one, Logtar. That&#8217;s why I make it a practice to sucker punch a total stranger daily.</p>
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		<title>By: logtar</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358921</link>
		<dc:creator>logtar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faith, not to burst your bubble or anything, but that guy does not sound like a nice guy at all.

Being shallow is not a quality that I would associate with a nice guy.  Thankfully I do not have that gene that predisposes me to find what a magazine portrays as &quot;beautiful&quot; attractive... to me its a whole package of kind of deal, and chemistry above just looks.

If the guy did not go to your wedding because he thinks compatibility is based only on a number scale, he is not just not nice, he is obviously an idiot too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faith, not to burst your bubble or anything, but that guy does not sound like a nice guy at all.</p>
<p>Being shallow is not a quality that I would associate with a nice guy.  Thankfully I do not have that gene that predisposes me to find what a magazine portrays as &#8220;beautiful&#8221; attractive&#8230; to me its a whole package of kind of deal, and chemistry above just looks.</p>
<p>If the guy did not go to your wedding because he thinks compatibility is based only on a number scale, he is not just not nice, he is obviously an idiot too.</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358920</link>
		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, a lot of so-called and self-proclaimed &quot;nice guys&quot; have very high standards when it comes to the kind of women they want to date. So while they might say, &quot;I&#039;m a nice guy! Why don&#039;t women want to date me?&quot; a lot of them tend to mean, &quot;Why won&#039;t beautiful, level 7 or above women who are thin and considered attractive by societal norms date me?&quot; I met a few of those types throughout my many years of dating. One of them wound up being a very good friend of mine after we initially met and the sparks didn&#039;t fly (for him...). 

He didn&#039;t come to my wedding. I don&#039;t think it was for any reason other than the fact that he can&#039;t believe that a woman like me was able to find a mate, and a guy like him still can&#039;t find even semi-long term relationship. I think he resents me because even though I&#039;m what he considers sub-par when it comes to attractiveness, etc..., I was able to get married.

Just one example of many, many experiences I&#039;ve had with &quot;nice guys&quot; throughout the years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, a lot of so-called and self-proclaimed &#8220;nice guys&#8221; have very high standards when it comes to the kind of women they want to date. So while they might say, &#8220;I&#8217;m a nice guy! Why don&#8217;t women want to date me?&#8221; a lot of them tend to mean, &#8220;Why won&#8217;t beautiful, level 7 or above women who are thin and considered attractive by societal norms date me?&#8221; I met a few of those types throughout my many years of dating. One of them wound up being a very good friend of mine after we initially met and the sparks didn&#8217;t fly (for him&#8230;). </p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t come to my wedding. I don&#8217;t think it was for any reason other than the fact that he can&#8217;t believe that a woman like me was able to find a mate, and a guy like him still can&#8217;t find even semi-long term relationship. I think he resents me because even though I&#8217;m what he considers sub-par when it comes to attractiveness, etc&#8230;, I was able to get married.</p>
<p>Just one example of many, many experiences I&#8217;ve had with &#8220;nice guys&#8221; throughout the years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Well Hell Michelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358918</link>
		<dc:creator>Well Hell Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think as far as dating goes, some women aren&#039;t ready to date nice guys. They like the drama that the bad boys bring to the table. But when those women are finally ready to settle down, they usually ending up wanting a nice guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think as far as dating goes, some women aren&#8217;t ready to date nice guys. They like the drama that the bad boys bring to the table. But when those women are finally ready to settle down, they usually ending up wanting a nice guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it speaks more to the ladies than anything - at all the low self-esteem that&#039;s out there.  Women go for the jerks because they don&#039;t think they can do any better.  Also, and not to be Freudian, but look at the fathers....and their friends.  If a girl was brought up a certain way, then they think that&#039;s ok.  My dad was a huge asshole, controlling and an alcoholic.  My first husband was controlling...it didn&#039;t take a genius to figure out I&#039;d married my father without consciously realizing it.  This time around, I&#039;ve met one of those nice guys.  He&#039;s strong, determined, and can hold his own in any argument, but is gentle.  He would say he&#039;s arrogant, and to a degree, I agree.  But I know what I want to deal with, and I know that nice doesn&#039;t mean sap.   Many women don&#039;t.  Our fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it speaks more to the ladies than anything &#8211; at all the low self-esteem that&#8217;s out there.  Women go for the jerks because they don&#8217;t think they can do any better.  Also, and not to be Freudian, but look at the fathers&#8230;.and their friends.  If a girl was brought up a certain way, then they think that&#8217;s ok.  My dad was a huge asshole, controlling and an alcoholic.  My first husband was controlling&#8230;it didn&#8217;t take a genius to figure out I&#8217;d married my father without consciously realizing it.  This time around, I&#8217;ve met one of those nice guys.  He&#8217;s strong, determined, and can hold his own in any argument, but is gentle.  He would say he&#8217;s arrogant, and to a degree, I agree.  But I know what I want to deal with, and I know that nice doesn&#8217;t mean sap.   Many women don&#8217;t.  Our fault.</p>
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		<title>By: kcgeek</title>
		<link>http://blog.logtar.com/2008/08/12/nice-guys-finish-last/comment-page-1/#comment-358916</link>
		<dc:creator>kcgeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m too shy to respond to this post.. instead read my post on lonly loosers:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&amp;friendID=97655781&amp;blogID=423451669</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m too shy to respond to this post.. instead read my post on lonly loosers:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&amp;friendID=97655781&amp;blogID=423451669" rel="nofollow">http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&amp;friendID=97655781&amp;blogID=423451669</a></p>
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