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		<title>By: Banky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Banky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point, Logtar, about architects.  They are horrible programmers in general.  They might not have been at one time, but its been years since I wrote a line of code.  

Programming is expensive in both time and money.  I try to look for solutions where programming is needed as little as possible. Solutions like that are infinitely more expensive in the short term but are quicker to implement and shorter in the long term in general.  

There just aren&#039;t enough Logtars around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point, Logtar, about architects.  They are horrible programmers in general.  They might not have been at one time, but its been years since I wrote a line of code.  </p>
<p>Programming is expensive in both time and money.  I try to look for solutions where programming is needed as little as possible. Solutions like that are infinitely more expensive in the short term but are quicker to implement and shorter in the long term in general.  </p>
<p>There just aren&#8217;t enough Logtars around.</p>
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		<title>By: Wookieluv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wookieluv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The programmers and IT &quot;specialists&quot; I&#039;ve come in contact with were very cocky, I&#039;m in the Art Dept so my stereo type came into play just as much as the IT dept. Most lack social skills on the most basic level and have large amounts of inferiority complex masked in the guise of DOS. However, once you actually get them out of their environment and have a non-business conversation they tend to lighten up and move beyond &quot;I know more than you&quot; tude. I think that probably happens in most fields, not just programming &amp; art &amp; business.

BTW : Artists stereotype is : We know what looks cool, we like Siouxsie &amp; the Banshee&#039;s as well as having an extensive collection of The Smiths &amp; Bauhaus. We like Helvetica &amp; can&#039;t stand PC&#039;s. Porn is Art as long as it&#039;s in Black &amp; White or Sepia Tone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The programmers and IT &#8220;specialists&#8221; I&#8217;ve come in contact with were very cocky, I&#8217;m in the Art Dept so my stereo type came into play just as much as the IT dept. Most lack social skills on the most basic level and have large amounts of inferiority complex masked in the guise of DOS. However, once you actually get them out of their environment and have a non-business conversation they tend to lighten up and move beyond &#8220;I know more than you&#8221; tude. I think that probably happens in most fields, not just programming &amp; art &amp; business.</p>
<p>BTW : Artists stereotype is : We know what looks cool, we like Siouxsie &amp; the Banshee&#8217;s as well as having an extensive collection of The Smiths &amp; Bauhaus. We like Helvetica &amp; can&#8217;t stand PC&#8217;s. Porn is Art as long as it&#8217;s in Black &amp; White or Sepia Tone.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier Onassis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier Onassis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - I like to bring the developers into the requirements proces as early as possible as team members and collaborators.  However, in the very early stages, the developers often don&#039;t want to be bothered sitting in meetings with people who &quot;don&#039;t know what they want&quot;.  I find that I produce MUCH better requirements when the develpers have been part of the process.  They have a much clearer understanding of what the customer needs if they have been active participants.

But you are correct that there needs to be &quot;someone in the middle&quot; like a Systems Analyst or a Project Manager to facilitate clear communication and to buffer the B.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; I like to bring the developers into the requirements proces as early as possible as team members and collaborators.  However, in the very early stages, the developers often don&#8217;t want to be bothered sitting in meetings with people who &#8220;don&#8217;t know what they want&#8221;.  I find that I produce MUCH better requirements when the develpers have been part of the process.  They have a much clearer understanding of what the customer needs if they have been active participants.</p>
<p>But you are correct that there needs to be &#8220;someone in the middle&#8221; like a Systems Analyst or a Project Manager to facilitate clear communication and to buffer the B.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Piatek-Jimenez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Piatek-Jimenez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Development is made so much easier when developers have something in common with their customers.  I&#039;ve heard some developers brag about products they&#039;ve created when they knew nothing about the subject matter on which the product applies.  They don&#039;t realize that what they are saying makes them look dumb.  Their products most likely turned out like absolute crap with respect to usability.

The good developers try to really get in touch with their customers.  In larger companies there is often a disconnect between developers and customers.  I understand that customers shouldn&#039;t necessarily be able to directly contact the developers—productivity would be lost, and there is definitely value in having someone in the middle to manage tasks.  On the other hand, I strongly believe that developers should be able to get in touch with customers very easily.  They need to see exactly how the customer works, what is expected, why such-and-such interface makes sense, and really get a sense of how the end product will be used.  Only then can the developer go and truly build something great...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Development is made so much easier when developers have something in common with their customers.  I&#8217;ve heard some developers brag about products they&#8217;ve created when they knew nothing about the subject matter on which the product applies.  They don&#8217;t realize that what they are saying makes them look dumb.  Their products most likely turned out like absolute crap with respect to usability.</p>
<p>The good developers try to really get in touch with their customers.  In larger companies there is often a disconnect between developers and customers.  I understand that customers shouldn&#8217;t necessarily be able to directly contact the developers—productivity would be lost, and there is definitely value in having someone in the middle to manage tasks.  On the other hand, I strongly believe that developers should be able to get in touch with customers very easily.  They need to see exactly how the customer works, what is expected, why such-and-such interface makes sense, and really get a sense of how the end product will be used.  Only then can the developer go and truly build something great&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier Onassis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier Onassis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, et al - Regarding the Black Box scenario...I often get pushback from IT when I provide them with TOO MUCH detail.  They tell me &quot;you just need to tell us WHAT you want done.  Determining HOW to do it is our job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, et al &#8211; Regarding the Black Box scenario&#8230;I often get pushback from IT when I provide them with TOO MUCH detail.  They tell me &#8220;you just need to tell us WHAT you want done.  Determining HOW to do it is our job.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analogy there Burrowowl.  Not only should the cook not tell you if you want onions or not, but the customer should not tell the cook what temperature to set the grill at.  =)

In my experience, the business people get involved in details that really shouldn&#039;t.  If they need xyz data displayed, they shouldn&#039;t be telling me how to write the SQL statement to pull it.

If companies could actually execute what you said, &quot;The consensus should be that a set of clear, complete specifications should be provided, and feature-creep and moving-target syndrome should be avoided as much as possible.&quot;, then that would be almost the whole battle!!  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve actually seen a complete spec in my life.  But that is more managements fault I think because when the spec is written and the application is delivered, the spec writers always come back and say, well of course I need this, this and this too!  Duh!  How did you not know that, dumb IT people!  =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analogy there Burrowowl.  Not only should the cook not tell you if you want onions or not, but the customer should not tell the cook what temperature to set the grill at.  =)</p>
<p>In my experience, the business people get involved in details that really shouldn&#8217;t.  If they need xyz data displayed, they shouldn&#8217;t be telling me how to write the SQL statement to pull it.</p>
<p>If companies could actually execute what you said, &#8220;The consensus should be that a set of clear, complete specifications should be provided, and feature-creep and moving-target syndrome should be avoided as much as possible.&#8221;, then that would be almost the whole battle!!  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve actually seen a complete spec in my life.  But that is more managements fault I think because when the spec is written and the application is delivered, the spec writers always come back and say, well of course I need this, this and this too!  Duh!  How did you not know that, dumb IT people!  =)</p>
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		<title>By: Burrowowl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burrowowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely love the attitude I see here that a consensus needs to be reached between the developers and the business. When I order a hamburger, I don&#039;t need the cook to tell me whether I want onions.  The consensus should be that a set of clear, complete specifications should be provided, and feature-creep and moving-target syndrome should be avoided as much as possible. If I already have a visual design for a form and need the back-end to process the input in such-and-such way, just make the damned back end, then pat yourself on the back about how awesome you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely love the attitude I see here that a consensus needs to be reached between the developers and the business. When I order a hamburger, I don&#8217;t need the cook to tell me whether I want onions.  The consensus should be that a set of clear, complete specifications should be provided, and feature-creep and moving-target syndrome should be avoided as much as possible. If I already have a visual design for a form and need the back-end to process the input in such-and-such way, just make the damned back end, then pat yourself on the back about how awesome you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree there.  I a LARGE corporate environment where the IT resources are very segmented, you have a need to use a &quot;black box&quot; model perhaps.  I need you to provide me with these inputs and get this type of output, how you do that is your &quot;black box&quot;.  But how many people do you know work in a modular environment like that???  None that I&#039;ve ever met, even in big companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree there.  I a LARGE corporate environment where the IT resources are very segmented, you have a need to use a &#8220;black box&#8221; model perhaps.  I need you to provide me with these inputs and get this type of output, how you do that is your &#8220;black box&#8221;.  But how many people do you know work in a modular environment like that???  None that I&#8217;ve ever met, even in big companies.</p>
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		<title>By: logtar</title>
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		<dc:creator>logtar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like XO, I have always leaned more towards the analyst and integration role than just a plain developer... mostly because most of the &quot;true&quot; developers I met I did not like.  They had almost swallowed some weird cool aid that separated them from all the other mortals...  I know one of them that literally did not speak to anyone unless they were technically capable of talking at a &quot;higher&quot; level.  And XO, long comments ROCK!
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Mark,&lt;/li&gt;What you are talking about was one of the reasons that I hate the term black box.  While in big development shops it is necessary for people to be able to compartmentalize development and just worry about the links, it is almost impossible to do in smaller shops where nobody is responsible for cohesiveness.  I don&#039;t get why our industry started falling in love with a term that is used to described the only thing recoverable from a tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like XO, I have always leaned more towards the analyst and integration role than just a plain developer&#8230; mostly because most of the &#8220;true&#8221; developers I met I did not like.  They had almost swallowed some weird cool aid that separated them from all the other mortals&#8230;  I know one of them that literally did not speak to anyone unless they were technically capable of talking at a &#8220;higher&#8221; level.  And XO, long comments ROCK!</p>
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Mark,</li>
<p>What you are talking about was one of the reasons that I hate the term black box.  While in big development shops it is necessary for people to be able to compartmentalize development and just worry about the links, it is almost impossible to do in smaller shops where nobody is responsible for cohesiveness.  I don&#8217;t get why our industry started falling in love with a term that is used to described the only thing recoverable from a tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nuke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANother great post L-man!

I am not a code monkey, but can say that arrogance is not restricted to programming types.  In a big enough company you have one or two from every technical department that gave them a bad rep to the rest of the company.

People close of their minds about something, and then withdraw from meaningful communication on the topic.  This makes the project many times more difficult, and many times less likely to satisfy anybody involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANother great post L-man!</p>
<p>I am not a code monkey, but can say that arrogance is not restricted to programming types.  In a big enough company you have one or two from every technical department that gave them a bad rep to the rest of the company.</p>
<p>People close of their minds about something, and then withdraw from meaningful communication on the topic.  This makes the project many times more difficult, and many times less likely to satisfy anybody involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Xavier Onassis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xavier Onassis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Logtar my friend, you are wise beyond your years.  This is a subject near and dear to my heart.  Mark and Lucas&#039; comments are also spot on.

As a Systems Analyst with 20+ years in the business, I&#039;ve made a few observations.  The &quot;programmer arrogance&quot; you describe is quite real.  As is the willfull, almost joyfull embrace of technological ignorance by the business folks who pay the bills.  

They don&#039;t want to know how the sausage is made.  Just make it taste &quot;like this&quot;.

I have found that some of the very best programmers are very detail oriented and very literal.  The &quot;thing&quot; is this or it&#039;s that.  The answer is yes or no.  The switch is on or its off.  They are binary people.  Thats what makes them so good at talking to machines.

The business people tend to be &quot;fuzzy&quot; people.  Everything is nuanced.  Everything is a shade of gray.

This is why business folk and technical folk don&#039;t communicate very well.  They speak different languages.

That is where people like me come in.  My job is to take the unicorn and rainbow dreams and wishes of business folk, and translate them into the switch position functionality and requirements that the technical folk can actually use to code.

I know this is a long comment, but a quick story before I go.

There was a bank whose first foray into the online world was to automate a loan application.

A brilliant programmer said &quot;I can do that.  That&#039;s easy!  Just give me a copy of the form and turn me loose&quot;.

Which they did.

Some time later, the programmer proudly unveiled his automated loan application.

The very first question on the form, before even asking for the customer&#039;s name, address, employment, etc. was this:

&quot;Have you ever declared bankruptcy?&quot;

From the programmer&#039;s &quot;logical&quot; perspective, this was the most efficient path.  If the answer was &quot;Yes&quot;, no further information needed to be collected or stored.  End of loop.

But from a business perspective...absolute crap.

The business folk may not always know what they want.  But programmers (without guidance) often give the customer exactly what they ask for instead of what they need.

OK, I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Logtar my friend, you are wise beyond your years.  This is a subject near and dear to my heart.  Mark and Lucas&#8217; comments are also spot on.</p>
<p>As a Systems Analyst with 20+ years in the business, I&#8217;ve made a few observations.  The &#8220;programmer arrogance&#8221; you describe is quite real.  As is the willfull, almost joyfull embrace of technological ignorance by the business folks who pay the bills.  </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want to know how the sausage is made.  Just make it taste &#8220;like this&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have found that some of the very best programmers are very detail oriented and very literal.  The &#8220;thing&#8221; is this or it&#8217;s that.  The answer is yes or no.  The switch is on or its off.  They are binary people.  Thats what makes them so good at talking to machines.</p>
<p>The business people tend to be &#8220;fuzzy&#8221; people.  Everything is nuanced.  Everything is a shade of gray.</p>
<p>This is why business folk and technical folk don&#8217;t communicate very well.  They speak different languages.</p>
<p>That is where people like me come in.  My job is to take the unicorn and rainbow dreams and wishes of business folk, and translate them into the switch position functionality and requirements that the technical folk can actually use to code.</p>
<p>I know this is a long comment, but a quick story before I go.</p>
<p>There was a bank whose first foray into the online world was to automate a loan application.</p>
<p>A brilliant programmer said &#8220;I can do that.  That&#8217;s easy!  Just give me a copy of the form and turn me loose&#8221;.</p>
<p>Which they did.</p>
<p>Some time later, the programmer proudly unveiled his automated loan application.</p>
<p>The very first question on the form, before even asking for the customer&#8217;s name, address, employment, etc. was this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Have you ever declared bankruptcy?&#8221;</p>
<p>From the programmer&#8217;s &#8220;logical&#8221; perspective, this was the most efficient path.  If the answer was &#8220;Yes&#8221;, no further information needed to be collected or stored.  End of loop.</p>
<p>But from a business perspective&#8230;absolute crap.</p>
<p>The business folk may not always know what they want.  But programmers (without guidance) often give the customer exactly what they ask for instead of what they need.</p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know exactly what you&#039;re talking about.  I think it can be as simple as saying that some people are just better at different things than others.  We had developers moving into design &amp; it just didnt work well and we had designers get in to &#039;fix&#039; stuff that resulted in a lost weekend for several developers.

Our company&#039;s problem always seemed to stem from developers mistakingly thinking that they are industry experts.  Ouch.

Good post</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly what you&#8217;re talking about.  I think it can be as simple as saying that some people are just better at different things than others.  We had developers moving into design &amp; it just didnt work well and we had designers get in to &#8216;fix&#8217; stuff that resulted in a lost weekend for several developers.</p>
<p>Our company&#8217;s problem always seemed to stem from developers mistakingly thinking that they are industry experts.  Ouch.</p>
<p>Good post</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thoughts here Logtar.  I recall a situation where you and Mark L worked on a project here and your quote, &quot;The challenge that companies face is that communication breaks down as soon as their departments stop talking to one another&quot; was in full effect.  The people you guys were trying to develop for refused to give you necessary information for no good reason other than &quot;it should be a black box&quot;.  Well, I had that exact same experience yesterday with the same people.  I was told to help out W and T with a form they needed.  I was shown an example of how it was being used and instantly I thought &quot;that looks like crap, I can do better!!&quot;  Despite this, W told me repeatedly to do it the &quot;ugly&quot; way because that is what the users expected and to change it at all would screw everyone up.  My issues with this were 1) He made it sound like the users were way too stupid to comprehend anything different than what they had 2) He refused to even pursue something that might be better or even easier for the users because it would involve change 3) He told me that the &quot;development team&quot; decided it should be that way.  And I thought, &quot;aren&#039;t I a part of the development team??&quot;  Basically I was told to do it this way, whether you like it or not, whether it is right or wrong and we don&#039;t care what you think.  I may have had a little bit of that &quot;programmers pride&quot; you were talking about but that kind of cut me down a notch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thoughts here Logtar.  I recall a situation where you and Mark L worked on a project here and your quote, &#8220;The challenge that companies face is that communication breaks down as soon as their departments stop talking to one another&#8221; was in full effect.  The people you guys were trying to develop for refused to give you necessary information for no good reason other than &#8220;it should be a black box&#8221;.  Well, I had that exact same experience yesterday with the same people.  I was told to help out W and T with a form they needed.  I was shown an example of how it was being used and instantly I thought &#8220;that looks like crap, I can do better!!&#8221;  Despite this, W told me repeatedly to do it the &#8220;ugly&#8221; way because that is what the users expected and to change it at all would screw everyone up.  My issues with this were 1) He made it sound like the users were way too stupid to comprehend anything different than what they had 2) He refused to even pursue something that might be better or even easier for the users because it would involve change 3) He told me that the &#8220;development team&#8221; decided it should be that way.  And I thought, &#8220;aren&#8217;t I a part of the development team??&#8221;  Basically I was told to do it this way, whether you like it or not, whether it is right or wrong and we don&#8217;t care what you think.  I may have had a little bit of that &#8220;programmers pride&#8221; you were talking about but that kind of cut me down a notch.</p>
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